This thread on pepipoo details a case where SIP took a motorist to court.
The case involved a situation where the motorist purchased two tickets to cover their parking because they suddenly realised they would need more time. The tickets were overlapping, and SIP argued that the expiry time ended with the time on the second ticket.
The motorist argued that they had purchased 4 hours and so should have 4 hours parking. In such a case like this, The Prankster believes the contract laid out by the signage would be key. Of course, any reasonable parking operator would also cancel the charge; no monies have been lost and no abuse has taken place.
It would also help if the signage was readable rather than being written in a tiny font 9ft high in the air. Additionally, as there is no signage by the pay machines themselves, it is not clear that any terms on the signage would in fact be enforceable.
The Independent Appeals Service rejected the motorists appeal, ruling that he had paid for two hours twice, rather than 4 hours, and that a contract was in place.
One year later a real judge ripped into SIP over the fact that the motorist had paid for enough parking time against their tariff board, all be it over two over lapping tickets.
The basis of the ruling was the different company names shown on the car park signage which conflicted with the Consumer Rights Act 2015 in terms of giving clarity on t&c's.
There was a big debate over what constitutes a valid ticket given signage was vague on what this actually means. The judge stated "a valid ticket could be pink with spots if SIP wanted it too". (The Prankster agrees, as long as this is clearly stated on the signage. SIP cannot retrospectively try and redefine what a valid ticket it)
SIP attempted to use both the IAS appeal verdict and the ParkingEye v Beavis, but the judge rightly countered these arguments.
Prankster Note
This case also serves as a warning to any landowner considering using SIP; SIP are more than happy to target your legitimate customer base, driving them away to your rivals. SIPs own web site contains similar cases. Here is one where they pursued a motorist even though their machine stole her money without giving a ticket. Here is another where their machine did not work. Here is another - this case is slightly different in that...the machine did not work. In this case, the driver purchased a ticket but it slipped off the dashboard. In this case, the driver purchased a ticket but it slipped off the dashboard.
It does seem like SIP pursue genuine customers who have purchased ticket to park, and also use their machines being broken for extra income.
Finally, the IAS offer two services. In one, the motorist pays £15 and the IAS decision is binding on them. Given that there are no known cases where an IAS decision has been upheld by a real judge, The Prankster considers it would be madness for a motorist to consider using the IAS. The Prankster suggests using the Consumer Ombudsman instead.
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Saturday, 27 February 2016
Planning backlash against illegal parking signs without advertisement consent
ParkingEye's strategy of deliberately not bothering to get advertisement consent appears to be backfiring in some car parks. ParkingEye's signage is classed as an advertisement, and it is a crime to have signs erected without advertisement consent.
The Prankster has received unconfirmed reports some councils are finally taking action
Here is a photograph from the Priory Centre in Worksop. From 25th February it seems the cameras and ticket machines are 'out of order' until further notice. The Prankster wonders if this is a result of the enquiry Bassetlaw District Council are conducting into PE's use of ANPR cameras.
The Prankster has also received an unconfirmed report that in Mansfield the council slapped an enforcement notice on ParkingEye who ignored it so they sent someone round to remove signage and cameras. ParkingEye are forced to apply for permission and cannot use their kit until it is granted.
The Prankster can confirm this is not correct (at least up to last Thursday) and that Mansfield has invited ParkingEye to submit an application for advertisement consent and planning permission for its ANPR cameras at the St Peters Retail Park. The council has not taken enforcement action and has up to last Thursday has refused to cover over the signs.
If anyone can confirm these two reports or has more details, please contact The Prankster.
Liverpool Airport
Meanwhile in Liverpool, the planning wrangle at Liverpool Airport drags on. The airport applied for permission for Vehicle Control Services' illegal signs back in March 2015, but the council still has not made a decision on planning application 15A/0657.
The latest news in January 2016 is that:
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The Prankster has received unconfirmed reports some councils are finally taking action
Here is a photograph from the Priory Centre in Worksop. From 25th February it seems the cameras and ticket machines are 'out of order' until further notice. The Prankster wonders if this is a result of the enquiry Bassetlaw District Council are conducting into PE's use of ANPR cameras.
The Prankster has also received an unconfirmed report that in Mansfield the council slapped an enforcement notice on ParkingEye who ignored it so they sent someone round to remove signage and cameras. ParkingEye are forced to apply for permission and cannot use their kit until it is granted.
The Prankster can confirm this is not correct (at least up to last Thursday) and that Mansfield has invited ParkingEye to submit an application for advertisement consent and planning permission for its ANPR cameras at the St Peters Retail Park. The council has not taken enforcement action and has up to last Thursday has refused to cover over the signs.
If anyone can confirm these two reports or has more details, please contact The Prankster.
Liverpool Airport
Meanwhile in Liverpool, the planning wrangle at Liverpool Airport drags on. The airport applied for permission for Vehicle Control Services' illegal signs back in March 2015, but the council still has not made a decision on planning application 15A/0657.
The latest news in January 2016 is that:
The matter is largely being dealt with by the Highways department so we are awaiting them to advise whether
1. The design of the signs is appropriate
2. The number of signs is appropriate
That is caught up in Highways own assessment which in addition to the 2 planning points is also concerned with the legality of the placement of the signs, which I think they are taking advice from Legal Services on
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The Parking Prankster
People's parking - right of reply
Helen Dolphin has sent The Prankster this information, which is published as a right to reply.
Your incorrect facts:
1) People’s Parking is not just for members of the IPC it is for all car parks and in fact my first customers are BPA members not IPC.
2) I am not in anyway controlled by the IPC they just did my website that it all, yes that really is all they did. If I had £30K I would have done it myself but I don’t. Eventually maybe I will get my own done if improvements need doing in the future because it would be unfair to keep expecting the IPC to help me for nothing.
3) Since my accreditation is for BPA and IPC car parks I don’t see how you can say car parks with the accreditation are more likely to get a ticket, that is nonsense except I do say Blue badge bays must be enforced which disabled people agree is a good thing.
4) I am not a scammer I do not cheat or defraud and this is libel.
5) I have read the posts under your post which you are also responsible for, I was not sacked by DMUK I left to set up my own business or which People’s parking is just a part of.
You are not someone I wish to have any further discussions with. I initially cared what you had wrote but since I have been sent information on you I realise you are worth no more of my time. You claim to help motorists but all you do is attack people like me who work tirelessly on behalf of others. What you write about me and my business carries so little weight as anyone who knows me or reads about the work I do will know that I would never scam anybody so all you are doing are discrediting yourself.
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The Parking Prankster
Your incorrect facts:
1) People’s Parking is not just for members of the IPC it is for all car parks and in fact my first customers are BPA members not IPC.
2) I am not in anyway controlled by the IPC they just did my website that it all, yes that really is all they did. If I had £30K I would have done it myself but I don’t. Eventually maybe I will get my own done if improvements need doing in the future because it would be unfair to keep expecting the IPC to help me for nothing.
3) Since my accreditation is for BPA and IPC car parks I don’t see how you can say car parks with the accreditation are more likely to get a ticket, that is nonsense except I do say Blue badge bays must be enforced which disabled people agree is a good thing.
4) I am not a scammer I do not cheat or defraud and this is libel.
5) I have read the posts under your post which you are also responsible for, I was not sacked by DMUK I left to set up my own business or which People’s parking is just a part of.
You are not someone I wish to have any further discussions with. I initially cared what you had wrote but since I have been sent information on you I realise you are worth no more of my time. You claim to help motorists but all you do is attack people like me who work tirelessly on behalf of others. What you write about me and my business carries so little weight as anyone who knows me or reads about the work I do will know that I would never scam anybody so all you are doing are discrediting yourself.
Happy Parking
The Parking Prankster
People's Parking - update
In a previous post, The Prankster analysed the People's Parking website. When The Prankster investigated the website it was not fully formed. There was no contact information and no information about the accreditation process. Since then the website has been updated and it appears that the owner is Helen Dolphin, formerly of DMUK.
The Prankster has contacted the owner of People's Parking, Helen Dolphin, to seek out her views; however, it appears they will have to agree to disagree.
While Ms Dolphin may believe she is trying to drive up standards in parking and create car parks which are better for the public, The Prankster believes she is being used by the parking industry for their own ends, in order to legitimise bad practices and provide an accreditation which the worst miscreants can sign up to.
The Prankster has carefully studied the handbook, which appears to be currently not available. However, the copy The Prankster downloaded was worryingly light on signage and enforcement, essentially allowing parking operators to get away with all the scams they are currently running.
Here is one such example; a wizard wheeze by bottom feeders Armtrac, who moved from the BPA to the IPC, thus simultaneously raising standards in both organisations. In this post on moneysavingexpert, the motorist explains how Armtrac hid the fact that the vehicle had a legitimate ticket by covering it with the Parking Charge Notice and then taking a photograph.
The IPC have a relentless drive to lowering standards in the parking industry, removing safeguards for motorists with each release of their code of practice.
The IAS appeals service is a bad joke, with even their own members realising this.
While the domain registration is now no longer owned by Gladstones Solicitors, it has only moved the width of a piece of paper.
Registrant Name: Domain Admin
Registrant Organization: Patron Hallow
Registrant Street: 4 The Stables
Registrant Street: Red Cow Yard
Registrant City: Knutsford
Registrant State/Province: Cheshire
Registrant Postal Code: WA16 6DG
Registrant Country: GB
Registrant Phone: +44.01565000000
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: ict@patronhallow.com
The Prankster has contacted the owner of People's Parking, Helen Dolphin, to seek out her views; however, it appears they will have to agree to disagree.
While Ms Dolphin may believe she is trying to drive up standards in parking and create car parks which are better for the public, The Prankster believes she is being used by the parking industry for their own ends, in order to legitimise bad practices and provide an accreditation which the worst miscreants can sign up to.
The Prankster has carefully studied the handbook, which appears to be currently not available. However, the copy The Prankster downloaded was worryingly light on signage and enforcement, essentially allowing parking operators to get away with all the scams they are currently running.
Here is one such example; a wizard wheeze by bottom feeders Armtrac, who moved from the BPA to the IPC, thus simultaneously raising standards in both organisations. In this post on moneysavingexpert, the motorist explains how Armtrac hid the fact that the vehicle had a legitimate ticket by covering it with the Parking Charge Notice and then taking a photograph.
The IPC have a relentless drive to lowering standards in the parking industry, removing safeguards for motorists with each release of their code of practice.
The IAS appeals service is a bad joke, with even their own members realising this.
While the domain registration is now no longer owned by Gladstones Solicitors, it has only moved the width of a piece of paper.
Registrant Name: Domain Admin
Registrant Organization: Patron Hallow
Registrant Street: 4 The Stables
Registrant Street: Red Cow Yard
Registrant City: Knutsford
Registrant State/Province: Cheshire
Registrant Postal Code: WA16 6DG
Registrant Country: GB
Registrant Phone: +44.01565000000
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: ict@patronhallow.com
Patron Hallow is apparently a shell company owned by Will Hurley and John Davies, the two owners of the IPC.
People's Parking, the IAs, and the IPC are all hosted on the same webserver, sharing the IP Address 212.48.72.40.
The Prankster believes that People's Parking should distance themselves from the IPC, move their webhosting and domain registration, and should update their handbook to promote fair parking enforcement.
The Prankster believes that motorists should avoid car parks run by IPC members like the plague, due to the large number of complaints he receives about IPC members, and because motorists cannot get a fair appeals hearing.
The Prankster believes that motorists should avoid car parks run by IPC members like the plague, due to the large number of complaints he receives about IPC members, and because motorists cannot get a fair appeals hearing.
Your call, Ms Dolphin.
Happy Parking
The Parking Prankster
Sunday, 21 February 2016
Peoples Parking - or Trust a Scammer?
[Update. I have now been contacted by Helen Dolphin, who is the owner of people's parking. Gladstones Solicitors/the IPC built the domain and constructed the web site. I have therefore further blogged about this here]
[Update 2. People's Parking's right of reply is here. It appears People's Parking assume The Prankster is referring to them as scammers. This is not the case and this article has now been rewritten to clarify the behaviours The Prankster believes are indicative of a scam. The Prankster apologises if the original article was badly written]
A new entrant to the lucrative 'give me £100 to rate your car park' market has arrived - People's Parking.
A quick check reveals that the domain was registered by one John Davies of Gladstones Solicitors.
Registrant ID: MNT62B55114729
Registrant Name: John Davies
Registrant Organization: Gladstones Solicitors
Registrant Street: 31 Malvern Close
Registrant City: Congleton
Registrant State/Province: Cheshire
Registrant Postal Code: CW12 4PD
Registrant Country: GB
Registrant Phone: +44.7825699622
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: john@gladstonessolicitors.co.uk
John Davies also runs the Independent Parking Committee, an organisation famous for its lax policing of its members and an appeals service which has all the characteristics of a kangaroo court.
Behaviour reported to the Prankster by IPC Members includes
- Charging motorists for stopping at barriers
- Charging motorists for stopping at zebra crossings
- Placing the charge notice over a genuine ticket to obscure it in photographs
- Charging motorists who paid but the machine failed to issue a ticket
- Condoning appalling bad signage
- Charging motorist when tickets peel off in the sun or blow over in the wind
- Charging motorists when they have no contract
- Apparently faking photographs
- Providing false evidence to the appeals service
- Knowingly using an appeals service which they regard as a sham
- Sending out wardens in the middle of the night to target residents parking
- Charging motorists when it is not physically possible to read the signage
- Issuing ghost tickets
- Pursuing motorists to court for hopeless cases which get laughed out of court by judges
The Prankster believes that these types of behaviours are indicative of a scam. Motorists using a car park are entitled to believe it is being fairly managed for the benefit of all; not managed in a way to issue as many charges as possible, legitimate or not. The Prankster therefore believes that it is fair to call operators using these tactics 'scammers'.
Based on this, the liklihood of receiving a charge at a People's Parking car park appears to be a lot higher than one run for the actual benefit of the people. Car parks with the People's Parking award seem to The Prankster to be ones to avoid at any cost. However, even scammers have families which they need to feed, so perhaps The Prankster should not be so harsh. Perhaps a fairer way would be to introduce an addition to the logo so that consumers can make the choice.
Based on this, the liklihood of receiving a charge at a People's Parking car park appears to be a lot higher than one run for the actual benefit of the people. Car parks with the People's Parking award seem to The Prankster to be ones to avoid at any cost. However, even scammers have families which they need to feed, so perhaps The Prankster should not be so harsh. Perhaps a fairer way would be to introduce an addition to the logo so that consumers can make the choice.
The Prankster suggests an alteration to the logo, which People's Parking can use at no charge, in those particular car parks which deserve it.
Happy Parking
The Parking Prankster
Saturday, 20 February 2016
Wright Hassall prove their incompetence to deal with parking issues
In a worrying move the British Parking Association recently appointed parking company debt collectors Wright Hassall as brand-POPLA agents to deal with stayed cases. Wright Hassall have for some time regularly made it obvious they do not understand parking related law. This current thread on pepipoo confirms they are still clueless and motorists are likely to get shafted during the upcoming appeals process.
The pepipoo case concerns a parking charge from Excel Parking, and as any fule kno, Excel Parking do not rely on keeper liability but pursue the keeper on the basis that they were the driver. Here is a typical Notice to Keeper from Excel (from stock data on the BMPA website, not the actual one in question). It is missing at least the statutory requirements specified in 9(2)(e) and 9(2)(f) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, schedule 4.
In this case, the keeper was not the driver, and therefore directed Wright Hassall to drop the charge.
Wright Hassall replied as follows
To dissect their incompetence, Wright Hassall have started out by misquoting 9(2)(b), which states nothing of the sort. They refer to registered keeper, while the Act refers to keeper. The two are not necessarily the same, as the Act makes clear in 2(1). They then misquote 9(2)(e), somehow turning an obligation of the operator into an obligation of the keeper. Along the way, they once again mangle keeper into registered keeper, and state that a current postal address of the driver is required. This is wrong - the Act defines the requirements to also allow 'an address at which the driver can conveniently be contacted'. Next, 9(2)(f) is similarly reversed, magically changing from a operator obligation into driver obligation.
The choice of paragraphs is exceptionally ironic, as Excel Parking miss out both 9(2)(e) and (f) in their notices.
In short, Wright Hassall totally fail to acknowledge that Excel's notice to keeper is not compliant with keeper liability.
Finally, Wright Hassall dive into the realms of fantasy, stating the keeper remains liable if the driver has not made payment or denied responsibility. Nowhere in the Act is this stated; the keeper can provide the name and address of the driver any time up until the beginning of proceedings. Once they have done this, their liability ends, regardless of whether the driver pays.
Presumably Wright Hassall meant to say the keeper is liable if the driver denies responsibility, rather than has not denied responsibility, but regardless, they are wrong. Whether or not the driver denies responsibility**, the keeper has fulfilled their obligations and are no longer liable.
Flabbergasted
The Prankster is frankly, flabbergasted.
Still Flabbergasted
The Prankster is still flabbergasted. These are the people that the British Parking Association have selected to represent brand-POPLA, and they fail the basics of parking law. The Prankster considers that knowledge of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, schedule 4 is a mandatory requirement for that role.
However, Wright Hassall's incompetence does not end there. They state their letter before claim complies with annex A and B of the pre-action protocol without realising these ceased to exist almost a year ago, in April 2015. A solicitor firm filing claims who do not keep themselves current with the pre-action protocol hardly inspire confidence.
https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/pd_pre-action_conduct
Next, they misapply Fairlie v Fenton
The Prankster agrees with Fairlie v Fenton, but the crucial part is 'renders himself personally liable'. Essentially this means the operator can sue the motorist if the motorist can sue the operator. In practice, this rarely is the case. The benefit to the motorist is the provision of a parking space, but if that goes wrong, the operator is quick to absolve themselves of responsibility. If the parking surface has a pothole and a vehicle suffers damage, or if the car park surface is covered in ice and the driver slips getting out of the car, then typically it will be the landowner the motorist sues, not the operator of a pair of cameras.
Additionally, if the motorist is driving a hire car and wrongly gets issued a ticket, they often find themselves the recipient of a £50 administration charge from the hire company even though the parking charge is cancelled. In such circumstances the parking operator is quick to deny of responsibility stating it is not their fault and they are acting as agents of the landowner.
Clearly then, in the majority of cases Fairlie v Fenton acts to the benefit of the motorist, not the detriment.
Along the way, Wright Hassall also misquote the IAS appeal procedures, stating that if a motorist appeals within 21 days they must pay a fee of £15 and the result is binding on them. This is not correct, and those conditions only apply to appeals made after 21 days.
They also make this blanket statement:
Here is a map showing just how bad signage coverage is in part of the Peel Centre. Only the bays in green have a reasonable chance of noticing signage. Bays in red have almost no chance. Of particular concern is the dearth of signage by disabled bays. The Prankster considers Excels disrespect for disabled drivers in this car park as wicked.
So there you have it. The British Parking Association have appointed parking company debt collectors to deal with motorist appeals, who clearly are incompetent and not qualified to do the job.
What now?
Happy Parking
The Parking Prankster
**If the nominated driver denies they were the driver, this is a different matter. The Parking company could in theory pursue the keeper, who would then need to prove on the balance of probabilities they correctly named the driver. The Prankster has seen this situation a few times, mainly between ex-husband and wife.
The pepipoo case concerns a parking charge from Excel Parking, and as any fule kno, Excel Parking do not rely on keeper liability but pursue the keeper on the basis that they were the driver. Here is a typical Notice to Keeper from Excel (from stock data on the BMPA website, not the actual one in question). It is missing at least the statutory requirements specified in 9(2)(e) and 9(2)(f) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, schedule 4.
In this case, the keeper was not the driver, and therefore directed Wright Hassall to drop the charge.
Wright Hassall replied as follows
You have confirmed that you were not the driver at the time of the contravention. However, Paragraph 9(2)(b) of schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, states for parking events in England & Wales that the operator must inform the registered keeper that the driver of the motor vehicle is required to pay the parking charge in full. It also notes that, as the operator does not know the driver’s name or current postal address, the registered keeper, if they were not the driver at the time, should inform the operator of the name and current postal address of the driver and pass the notice to them.
The Act also warns that if, after 29 days, the parking charge has not been paid in full and the operator does not know both the name and current address of the driver, they have the right to recover any unpaid part of the parking charge from the registered keeper. This warning is given under Paragraph 9(2)(f) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and is subject to the operator complying with the applicable conditions under Schedule 4 of that Act.
Further if you have previously confirmed the details of the driver and they have not made payment or denied responsibility, Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 states liability remains with the registered keeper.In The Prankster's opinion, it would be difficult to find somebody with a poorer understanding of parking related law than the Independent Appeals Service, but Wright Hassall seem to have scraped that barrel.
To dissect their incompetence, Wright Hassall have started out by misquoting 9(2)(b), which states nothing of the sort. They refer to registered keeper, while the Act refers to keeper. The two are not necessarily the same, as the Act makes clear in 2(1). They then misquote 9(2)(e), somehow turning an obligation of the operator into an obligation of the keeper. Along the way, they once again mangle keeper into registered keeper, and state that a current postal address of the driver is required. This is wrong - the Act defines the requirements to also allow 'an address at which the driver can conveniently be contacted'. Next, 9(2)(f) is similarly reversed, magically changing from a operator obligation into driver obligation.
The choice of paragraphs is exceptionally ironic, as Excel Parking miss out both 9(2)(e) and (f) in their notices.
In short, Wright Hassall totally fail to acknowledge that Excel's notice to keeper is not compliant with keeper liability.
Finally, Wright Hassall dive into the realms of fantasy, stating the keeper remains liable if the driver has not made payment or denied responsibility. Nowhere in the Act is this stated; the keeper can provide the name and address of the driver any time up until the beginning of proceedings. Once they have done this, their liability ends, regardless of whether the driver pays.
Presumably Wright Hassall meant to say the keeper is liable if the driver denies responsibility, rather than has not denied responsibility, but regardless, they are wrong. Whether or not the driver denies responsibility**, the keeper has fulfilled their obligations and are no longer liable.
Flabbergasted
The Prankster is frankly, flabbergasted.
Still Flabbergasted
The Prankster is still flabbergasted. These are the people that the British Parking Association have selected to represent brand-POPLA, and they fail the basics of parking law. The Prankster considers that knowledge of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, schedule 4 is a mandatory requirement for that role.
However, Wright Hassall's incompetence does not end there. They state their letter before claim complies with annex A and B of the pre-action protocol without realising these ceased to exist almost a year ago, in April 2015. A solicitor firm filing claims who do not keep themselves current with the pre-action protocol hardly inspire confidence.
https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/pd_pre-action_conduct
Next, they misapply Fairlie v Fenton
Any person who makes a contract in his own name without disclosing the existence of a principal, or who, through disclosing the fact that he is acting as an agent on behalf of a principal, renders himself personally liable on the contract, is entitled to enforce it against the other contracting party. It therefore follows that a lawful contract between the car park operator and the motorist will be enforceable by the car park operator as a party to that contract. This is supported by case law of Fairlie v Fenton (1870 LR 5 Exch 169).
The Prankster agrees with Fairlie v Fenton, but the crucial part is 'renders himself personally liable'. Essentially this means the operator can sue the motorist if the motorist can sue the operator. In practice, this rarely is the case. The benefit to the motorist is the provision of a parking space, but if that goes wrong, the operator is quick to absolve themselves of responsibility. If the parking surface has a pothole and a vehicle suffers damage, or if the car park surface is covered in ice and the driver slips getting out of the car, then typically it will be the landowner the motorist sues, not the operator of a pair of cameras.
Additionally, if the motorist is driving a hire car and wrongly gets issued a ticket, they often find themselves the recipient of a £50 administration charge from the hire company even though the parking charge is cancelled. In such circumstances the parking operator is quick to deny of responsibility stating it is not their fault and they are acting as agents of the landowner.
Clearly then, in the majority of cases Fairlie v Fenton acts to the benefit of the motorist, not the detriment.
Along the way, Wright Hassall also misquote the IAS appeal procedures, stating that if a motorist appeals within 21 days they must pay a fee of £15 and the result is binding on them. This is not correct, and those conditions only apply to appeals made after 21 days.
They also make this blanket statement:
the car parks under management by ZZPS’s Clients have clear terms and conditions for parkingAs the car park in question is the Peel Centre, one of the worst signed car parks in the country and one which forms a sizable part of The Prankster's mailbag, nothing could be further from the truth.
Here is a map showing just how bad signage coverage is in part of the Peel Centre. Only the bays in green have a reasonable chance of noticing signage. Bays in red have almost no chance. Of particular concern is the dearth of signage by disabled bays. The Prankster considers Excels disrespect for disabled drivers in this car park as wicked.
So there you have it. The British Parking Association have appointed parking company debt collectors to deal with motorist appeals, who clearly are incompetent and not qualified to do the job.
What now?
Happy Parking
The Parking Prankster
**If the nominated driver denies they were the driver, this is a different matter. The Parking company could in theory pursue the keeper, who would then need to prove on the balance of probabilities they correctly named the driver. The Prankster has seen this situation a few times, mainly between ex-husband and wife.
Gladstones Solicitors score triple whammy
Newcastle County Court, B3GF344V Park With Ease Ltd -v- Mr D
Trebles all round for Gladstones Solicitors as they managed to convince yet another hapless parking company to use their services. With Gladstones scoring fees for the legal profession for filing the claim and preparing the witness statement, not to mention the legal representative used in court, the parking company will have shelled out 3 times to various legal firms for the pleasure of being trounced.
The matter concerned a parking charge initially for £25 invoiced by Park With Ease. This case will have cost an estimated amount of £300 in legal fees alone. As this is not reclaimable in the Small Claims track, the Gladstones sales team are presumably experts in their field to convince parking companies it is worthwhile to fork out 12 times the initial charge. Gladstones are fast become the joke of the parking industry with a series of high profile losses in court, and no reported wins against any defence, let alone a substantive one, so the sales force are no doubt experts in the persuasive arts.
The motorist had paid the correct parking charge, but his wife had entered the registration incorrectly. Park With Ease's own evidence showed the machines were unreliable and had 3 false payments with no matching registration numbers around the time of the parking event.
The defendant also pointed out that TripAdvisor and other web forums showed a number of other motorists being scammed in the same manner.
The Park With Ease representative quibbled about the defence witness statement, trying to insinuate there was an anomaly and that the motorist had not really paid.
The judge spent some time asking detailed questions about the technicalities of the number-plate recognition system & the payment machine. (Prankster note - most likely the Park With Ease representative would not be able to answer these questions correctly, as they were a hire-by-the-hour lawyer bussed in for the day)
The judge ruled that the case hinged on whether the motorist had paid or not, and that the burden of proof lay with Park With Ease to show that the motorist hadn't. As he felt they hadn't been able to show that without any doubt the claim was dismissed.
Another well deserved win for Gladstones Solicitors sales team as they trouser bucket-loads of cash from the ill-advised parking company, and of course a well deserved win for the motorist in getting the claim dismissed.
Prankster Note
It is perfectly possible to install parking machines that work properly and only accept valid registration numbers. Park With Ease would be well advised to use this type of machine rather than waste their money persecuting motorists because their own system is flawed.
At some point no doubt parking companies will wake up and smell the coffee and realise that Gladstones are taking them for a ride.
Happy Parking
The Parking Prankster
Trebles all round for Gladstones Solicitors as they managed to convince yet another hapless parking company to use their services. With Gladstones scoring fees for the legal profession for filing the claim and preparing the witness statement, not to mention the legal representative used in court, the parking company will have shelled out 3 times to various legal firms for the pleasure of being trounced.
The matter concerned a parking charge initially for £25 invoiced by Park With Ease. This case will have cost an estimated amount of £300 in legal fees alone. As this is not reclaimable in the Small Claims track, the Gladstones sales team are presumably experts in their field to convince parking companies it is worthwhile to fork out 12 times the initial charge. Gladstones are fast become the joke of the parking industry with a series of high profile losses in court, and no reported wins against any defence, let alone a substantive one, so the sales force are no doubt experts in the persuasive arts.
The motorist had paid the correct parking charge, but his wife had entered the registration incorrectly. Park With Ease's own evidence showed the machines were unreliable and had 3 false payments with no matching registration numbers around the time of the parking event.
The defendant also pointed out that TripAdvisor and other web forums showed a number of other motorists being scammed in the same manner.
The Park With Ease representative quibbled about the defence witness statement, trying to insinuate there was an anomaly and that the motorist had not really paid.
The judge spent some time asking detailed questions about the technicalities of the number-plate recognition system & the payment machine. (Prankster note - most likely the Park With Ease representative would not be able to answer these questions correctly, as they were a hire-by-the-hour lawyer bussed in for the day)
The judge ruled that the case hinged on whether the motorist had paid or not, and that the burden of proof lay with Park With Ease to show that the motorist hadn't. As he felt they hadn't been able to show that without any doubt the claim was dismissed.
Another well deserved win for Gladstones Solicitors sales team as they trouser bucket-loads of cash from the ill-advised parking company, and of course a well deserved win for the motorist in getting the claim dismissed.
Prankster Note
It is perfectly possible to install parking machines that work properly and only accept valid registration numbers. Park With Ease would be well advised to use this type of machine rather than waste their money persecuting motorists because their own system is flawed.
At some point no doubt parking companies will wake up and smell the coffee and realise that Gladstones are taking them for a ride.
Happy Parking
The Parking Prankster
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